I wouldn't say a true 4 in terms of a 2-way player. A true 4 offensively for a Beilein team, but not in the mold of a legit 4 from a traditional sense. Doesn't have the motor on the glass like Young, or even Cain, for that matter. But certainly an upgrade from Duncan Robinson defending the 4 or the perimeter. Agree with you, he will never play the 3. Probably the least desirable option at the 4 from Jackson, Wilkes, Tillman, Young.........but I said plenty of times there were no bad options. Livers will probably be a 10ppg and 4-5 reb type as an upperclassmen and a solid defender. MUCH better than DJ Wilson IMO.